old chatroom?

[Whitekiboko]

All this drama, and there's not even a "baby's mama" involved....

[BeerMakesMeSmart]

and "the Lush"...i miss him too.

Yet, Mayhem is still here. The man is like a fungus.

[coqui_chris]

http://moderndrunkardmagazine.com/bbs/v ... hp?t=49264

What about JBRaynolds? Anyone? Anyone?

CAn we pour out a little for zin and Carls?

I'll drink to that.

[Modern Drunkard]

No hipocracy of double standards. There's a difference. Any gripe or grievance regarding an individual that someone may blow off steam about "over there" is based upon actual personal experiences of that individual. Having been personally offended in one way or another. And the reason it is aired over there is because when there is the attempt to address things here, people run the almost certain risk of being further belittled and whatever they have to say deleted. Over at the other boards there have been no unfounded comments about individuals whom one has not first been offended or angered by. And people do not make degrading comments or inferences about these boards or the population in general. It's in response to something a particular individual has said or done or way in which they have behaved. And there is no reason why certain threads or posts over there should necessarily be available for general consumption when some people come there with the single and sole purpose of scouring them to glean grist for the mill over here.

I would echo everything that Pogo said with respect to loyalty.

Who was it that said there is no such thing as bad publicity? It amazes me, for every person that critiques me or debases The Other Pub in a controversial thread, an "old" member registers there.

That's just semantics. Who's to say Dan wasn't angered or offended? (He can certainly make that claim now, after you bashed him in the now "hidden" thread.)

And you can make all the excuses you like, but when you hide a post behind a double blind that even registered posters can't see, it's the same as deleting it. IMO, it's worse, because it discriminatorily allows only a few specially selected (loyal?) individuals to continue the conversation. I say it's better that no one gets ice cream, rather than only a privileged few, if you get my shamefully abstract drift.

As far as those with the "sole purpose of scouring . . . to glean grist for the mill," of all the posts on this board, you managed to zero right in on a single offhand comment buried in a chat thread.

That's right. Just good clean fun.

Prior to Dan's out-of-the-blue, disparaging comments, nothing the least bit derogatory had ever been said about him over there. So what was the "personally" offensive catalyst? He certainly didn't cite having been personally offended. Anything derogatory that was then said with respect to him was motivated by that rabbit that he pulled out of his hat. Completely unprovoked.

Maybe he was offended at the disparaging remarks you've made about other posters here. You know, the ones who never said a word about TOP.

Basically all of the Other Pub posters who post with any regularity whatsoever have access to the select sub-forum.

Why does a sub forum even need to exist? We've never felt the need. Isn't that elitism? The very thing TOP is supposed to be against?

And with respect to "gleaning grist for the mill", I'm talking about people who are not registered at the Other Pub and/or have never posted so much as a single post there being motivated to go there in the first place strictly for the purpose of looking for unfavorable things that they can criticize the Other Pub as a whole about. Unlike them, I have thousands of posts here. And again, I have never dogged these boards or the community here at large.

What difference does that make? If the "unfavorable things" exist, they exist. Why do they have to register there to comment upon them here? Do you have to be in a car wreck to witness it? (and, no, I'm not calling TOP a car wreck.)

[Paralepsis]

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[coqui_chris]

Lots of fighting
In this thread

[Paralepsis]

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[Mother Goose]

I'm guilty of being a shit-stirrer on TOP (and here about TOP), and I won't blame it on being drunk. I'll just blame it on poor judgement, heightened emotions, and my own issues with taking interweb messageboard shit too seriously.

(I just wanted to throw that out there because it's inevitably going to be brought up at some point in this thread anyway)

[Modern Drunkard]

Yeah, but remember, for the first three years this board was in operation there wasn't a single deleted thread. Until the Great Crash, of course, but that was indiscriminate and unintentional. TOP managed to drop the hammer in, what, six months?

As far as the current state of deletions, you may have a point. It's hard to gauge exactly what's being deleted (because they're deleted), but I'll discuss it with the mods.

And as far as the mods, I know there are those who take them to task for whatever reason, but you have to take in account it's a tough, thankless job done under extremely difficult circumstances. And sometimes, yes, while drunk. They're human, and furthermore, they're drunkards. There is always that fine balance between maintaining civility and free speech, and, as far as I can see, they've been doing a bang-up job, and I salute them and am sure to buy them a shocking amount of rounds at the next con.

Now, I know this whole discussion might smack of unnecessary aggravation to some, but it has to be addressed before it festers into something really ugly.

Instead of just good clean fun.

Thankless job my ass. They haven't spent any more time here than they would have on any given day (see Palinka...who is sorely missed, BTW). Being drunk has not a damn thing to do with any moderators abilities (unless you count Mother Goose's ability to get drunk, play with her husband's moderator abilities and change member's locations, followed by Grey Goose's apology the following morning).

You're a hand puppet on this board. An excuse for people to throw your name around and convince others that they're doing the best they can in your name. It's a damn shame. This board need not be a religion.

Palinka was a fine gent and is sorely missed. But just for the record, he caught as much hell as the current mods do. The PMs were fast and furious.

Hand puppet? I protest. Maybe I'm not here as much as I'd like to be, due to pressing engagements, but surely not a hand puppet. Actually, I prefer the term out-of-touch figurehead. Much more dignified, don't you think?

[greygoose]

Yea. So damn funny your husband felt the need to apologize the next day. Too bad everybody wasn't in on the joke.

Look, I like you but let some of us get shit out in the open before the opportunity is gone. Especially those of us who considered outcasts for no other reason then the fact we post of TOP. We discussed this the other night, I thought.

I apologized on behalf of my wife because I believe it was her first time with the Sailor and I thought an apology was in order. If manners are frowned upon, then fine.

As far as a thankless task goes, it is. PM Mayhem, he can testify. So how many messageboards have you moderated? You might want to look up the definition of 'moderated' if you're unsure, as it seems that you just seem to show up here out of anger and appear as Lush's one, and seemingly only, foot soldier.

[Lushlife]

Maybe he was offended at the disparaging remarks you've made about other posters here. You know, the ones who never said a word about TOP.

Come now Frank. You're gonna break that limb and hurt yourself in the fall if you climb out any farther on it. And the few other posters you're talking about have either said disparaging things about the TOP community, the "caliber" of people registered there, or specific individuals that are members there.

The restricted sub-forum came into being in the first place for the protection of several members. The most blatant example would be a valued poster here who has had to cease posting here for the time being for the protection of her privacy. And it has nothing to do with elitism (in spite of it's title) because it's not like those with access are hand picked. They are merely those that have demonstrated investment in the community, evidenced by the nature and regularity of their posts. They have established themselves as being able to (hopefully) be trusted with the nature of the information that might be contained in some of the posts made to that forum by people that might not want just anybody to read them if they contain somewhat personal or detailed information. Anybody can have access once they've reached 300 posts, though registrants that had already had access when the forum was under a different name were grandfathered in if they had already posted to it.

P.S. Wow, if I didn't know better, I'd almost think that you keep better tabs on The Other Pub than you do this place. I'm flattered.

[Modern Drunkard]

Maybe he was offended at the disparaging remarks you've made about other posters here. You know, the ones who never said a word about TOP.

Come now Frank. You're gonna break that limb and hurt yourself in the fall if you climb out any farther on it. And the few other posters you're talking about have either said disparaging things about the TOP community, the "caliber" of people registered there, or specific individuals that are members there.

The restricted sub-forum came into being in the first place for the protection of several members. The most blatant example would be a valued poster here who has had to cease posting here for the time being for the protection of her privacy. And it has nothing to do with elitism (in spite of it's title) because it's not like those with access are hand picked. They are merely those that have demonstrated investment in the community, evidenced by the nature and regularity of their posts. They have established themselves as being able to (hopefully) be trusted with the nature of the information that might be contained in some of the posts made to that forum by people that might not want just anybody to read them if they contain somewhat personal or detailed information. Anybody can have access once they've reached 300 posts, though registrants that had already had access when the forum was under a different name were grandfathered in if they had already posted to it.

P.S. Wow, if I didn't know better, I'd almost think that you keep better tabs on The Other Pub than you do this place. I'm flattered.

Bullshit. I never said a disparaging thing about your board, I tried to promote it as a enjoyable alternative, and I was called a cocksucker anyway. Did sscsi, MOL or Barca say anything about your board, prior to being "discussed" on TOP?

And as far as you run your board, you're right, that's your business. More power to you. That said, there will never be a privileged forum on this board.

Now, just to keep things in perspective, I'm heading down to the bar. Because, in the end, that is where all questions are answered.

Meet here for hangovers cocktails in the morn, what say you? Afternoon, rather?

[Mayhem]

and "the Lush"...i miss him too.

Yet, Mayhem is still here. The man is like a fungus.

I put the "fun" in fungus.

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did someone say....hand puppet?

[steved2112]

Lushlife, I've hung out with you in person, and I think you are a very likeable person. But you get on your high horse about shit that is so unimportant, and take these bold stands rallying against the system you are working within, and it really doesn't further any cause. If you have such a beef with this place then just get the fuck out and build a better life for yourself without it. I'd pour my booze into your cup anytime, but I won't share a table with you if you're just going to berate the server.