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Post by Palinka (RIP) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:00 am

John Locke (1632-1704) wrote:As soon as men decide all means are permitted to fight evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil they set out to destroy.
Is this relevant to today's situation? Must liberty be eroded to protect it? And if so, at what point does liberty cease to have meaning?
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Post by Mr. Viking » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:59 am

If liberty is eroded by an action, that action can't be protecting it universally, that smacks of biting the nose to smite the face. It means that one groups liberty is eroded to protect the liberty of others (or perhaps a different liberty for the same group)

Trouble with liberty is that it's often painted as something we all want, but I don't believe that it's what people (in general) really want, which is the illusion of liberty as portrayed in arguments for its protection, which appears to be some sort of adventure holiday. I imagine true liberty gets weary after a while and means a lot of personal responsibility. For example, being tied to an address affects your liberty to move about, you are tied down, but reject the idea of ownership affects the right to own.

It all gets very muddled in my head, but it seems clear to me that after a few minutes of thinking, real liberty isn't the same as the abstracted version I might bandy about in an argument
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Post by Frankennietzsche » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:09 am

I was reminded of this:
Benjamin Franklin wrote:They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This should be made very conspicuous in every office, cubicle, vehicle, etc. at the Department of Homeland Security.
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Post by mistah willies » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:47 am

frankennietzsche wrote:I was reminded of this:
Benjamin Franklin wrote:They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This should be made very conspicuous in every office, cubicle, vehicle, etc. at the Department of Homeland Security.
Thanks for the opening and segue, pal.


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Post by coqui_chris » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:22 am

tdcwillies wrote:
frankennietzsche wrote:I was reminded of this:
Benjamin Franklin wrote:They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This should be made very conspicuous in every office, cubicle, vehicle, etc. at the Department of Homeland Security.
Thanks for the opening and segue, pal.


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Post by Mr Boozificator » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:03 pm

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Post by steved2112 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:31 pm

frankennietzsche wrote:I was reminded of this:
Benjamin Franklin wrote:They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This should be made very conspicuous in every office, cubicle, vehicle, etc. at the Department of Homeland Security.
The beauty is in the particulars. There are doubtless many NYC subway riders who deserve to be grateful they weren't mutilated, blinded, deafened, brain-damaged, or killed as a result of giving up a little temporary liberty to obtain an essential safety.
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Post by Bur » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:08 am

Life is always a struggle with eternal forces.

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Post by mistah willies » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:41 pm

Bur wrote:Life is always a struggle with eternal forces.
Indeed.

Eternal forces always demand struggle, per se.

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Re: Quote for today...

Post by Palinka (RIP) » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:59 pm

Well, you know what some will always say...
"If I had all the money that I've spent on drink, I'd spend it on drink!"
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