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Post by Palinka (RIP) » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:02 pm

This shit is being done in our name; I reject it, please do the same. Torture is always wrong, regardless.
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Post by coqui_chris » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:11 pm

Palinka wrote:This shit is being done in our name; I reject it, please do the same. Torture is always wrong, regardless.
For the record, I don't like that it was done to people from the land of my ethnicity, and I don't like it being done by people from the land of my nationality.
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Post by Palinka (RIP) » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:40 am

Then support Amnesty International (a £, € or $ a week will help so many, for so little - I lose that amount when I sit on a couch).

And for the record, I don't like it being done to anyone (and we are all of the same race: the Human Race) and the Doctors that are complicit in torture are no better than Mengele.
So, if you want to get angry about something, get angry about this shit.
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Post by ThirstyDrunk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:58 pm

I never get angry. But why would they do that to Ford Prefect!?
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Post by Girlie » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:23 pm

That looks terrible, but can we at least objectively agree that the video's intention was most likely to produce the response that you are expressing? AND, It's a medical intervention for crying out loud, not intended for torture, but for the sake of not permitting suicide.

As a bored 7 year-old, I was playing with my mom's sewing kit while she spoke to a neighbor and I (as a bored 7 year-old might) wondered if the button I was playing with would fit in my nostril. Turns out that it did! AND it slid down my nasal passage as well. When I told my mom what I did, she called the doctor and he recommended that she take me to the ER. At the ER, they couldn't find it through routine measures (looking in my nose with a light) and needed to make sure that it was not lodged anywhere that would cut off my breathing later. So, they had to put a camera (very much like this feeding tube) into my nasal passage and down my throat. I remember it hurting a lot and I remember crying, but I didn't fuss nearly as much as in this video.

Also, I cried a lot when I got stung by a bee at age 7.

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Post by Palinka (RIP) » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:28 pm

"AT FIRST, DO NO HARM..."
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Post by ThirstyDrunk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:56 pm

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Post by Girlie » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:34 pm

Palinka wrote:"AT FIRST, DO NO HARM..."
Harm is allowing the patient to die. A bit of pain to prevent death, does not go against the Hippocratic Oath. A needle hurts too, bit if it saves a life, it's the best choice.

Like I said, I withstood almost the exact same procedure at 7 years old to ensure my safety (maybe the camera was smaller or maybe a bit larger, I don't know, but I'm old so the technology for small cameras wasn't as good as today). Feeding someone on a hunger strike preserves their life. This video is politically driven propaganda.

The man is AN ACTOR and he's overacting at best.

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Post by Fabricsoftner » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:56 pm

The issue is the force feeding of people who are voluntarily on a hunger strike. It's not simply a matter of preventing "patients" from starving; it's a matter of force being used to stifle and prevent a protest. This shit is comparable to rape.
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Post by GSG » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:41 pm

A medical intervention for the sake of not permitting suicide? We don't even allow those poor sods that release. I don't know the ins and outs of force-feeding - I know that it did a lot of permanent damage to some of the suffragettes when they went on hunger strike, I don't know how much the procedure has changed. But this isn't just about the procedure itself, it's the added pain that would go along with resistance. It's about it being prolonged for over two hours twice a day. It's about the fact that this procedure is reinforcing to these men twice daily that they have NO bodily autonomy whatsoever, even though most of whom have never even had charges brought against them. Keeping men alive who feel that they have - possibly quite rightly, and absolutely understandably - nothing to live for. Keeping them alive to torture them in other ways, physically and psychologically. So no, whilst the video itself may or may not be a fair depiction of force feeding as a procedure in isolation, it is still a degrading and inhumane thing to do to someone. Any sort of torture cheapens us as a whole and leaves an indelible stain if we do nothing to stand up to it.


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Post by mistah willies » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:00 pm

Girlie wrote:
Palinka wrote:"AT FIRST, DO NO HARM..."
Harm is allowing the patient to die. A bit of pain to prevent death, does not go against the Hippocratic Oath. A needle hurts too, bit if it saves a life, it's the best choice.

Like I said, I withstood almost the exact same procedure at 7 years old to ensure my safety (maybe the camera was smaller or maybe a bit larger, I don't know, but I'm old so the technology for small cameras wasn't as good as today). Feeding someone on a hunger strike preserves their life. This video is politically driven propaganda.

The man is AN ACTOR and he's overacting at best.
Very well put.

And indeed, a bit of over-acting by a very interesting musician, and he represented Ix quite well.

Who wouldn't want to have a few fast drinks and peanut protein at a pub before the overpass?

To wit: Quiet Dog Bite Hard.

While I in no way support torture, there is, indeed, the oath of a doctor to save a life.

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Post by Frankennietzsche » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:02 pm

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Post by Girlie » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:10 pm

Fabricsoftner wrote:The issue is the force feeding of people who are voluntarily on a hunger strike. It's not simply a matter of preventing "patients" from starving; it's a matter of force being used to stifle and prevent a protest. This shit is comparable to rape.
Yes, just as the issue might be that a physician might have to forcibly remove the contents from a person's stomach who "voluntarily" swallowed enough pills to kill oneself. They "raped" them into life again! Oh no!!!!! I'm sure a stomach pump hurts too.

I've been in the ER with a jackass who tried to "voluntarily" kill himself with pills and alcohol (I assume, from what the docs were saying) and I saw a lot of the procedure - it looked awful and very painful - nonetheless, it saved the patient's life despite the fact that the doctors "raped" that a-hole's stomach contents from his suicide attempt.

And what the fuck do you know about being raped?

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Post by Girlie » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:22 pm

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Girlie wrote:
Palinka wrote:"AT FIRST, DO NO HARM..."
Harm is allowing the patient to die. A bit of pain to prevent death, does not go against the Hippocratic Oath. A needle hurts too, bit if it saves a life, it's the best choice.

Like I said, I withstood almost the exact same procedure at 7 years old to ensure my safety (maybe the camera was smaller or maybe a bit larger, I don't know, but I'm old so the technology for small cameras wasn't as good as today). Feeding someone on a hunger strike preserves their life. This video is politically driven propaganda.

The man is AN ACTOR and he's overacting at best.
Very well put.

And indeed, a bit of over-acting by a very interesting musician, and he represented Ix quite well.

Who wouldn't want to have a few fast drinks and peanut protein at a pub before the overpass?

To wit: Quiet Dog Bite Hard.

While I in no way support torture, there is, indeed, the oath of a doctor to save a life.

You wicked smart.

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Post by Palinka (RIP) » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:55 am

Torture is doing something to someone that they do not consent to happen (yes, there are cases when the person is not in a position to give "informed consent", which is why a panel of doctors or a law court must decide for them).
Clearly, this is not happening in some cases, hence torture.
Bleeding heart? Sure. I have shed blood for my country. Would I do it again? Sure. Would I allow someone who has not given their consent to bleed for my country? Fuck, no. Not in my name (and I have returned the only medal that I accepted, in protest).
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