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Animal Rights

Post by GSG » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:11 pm

Can an animal have rights when it has no responsibilities? Do we have a duty to treat animals well? If so, why?


My students are doing a unit on the treatment of animals and they've just seen an intensive chicken farm on telly. Their opinions on the matter range from 'it's not ideal but I like chicken so I'll get over it' to 'I never want to eat chicken again'. I'd be interested to know your opinions, and I should think my class would too. Those of you who have gleaned my political and ethical leanings from other threads on this forum can probably guess at my own feelings on this topic. However, I am not a vegetarian (any more).
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Palinka (RIP) » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:40 pm

That is why one should always go to an ethical butcher (not that I am going for the "meat is murder" angle).
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Frankennietzsche » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:20 pm

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Animals have the right to be delicious!
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Re: Animal Rights

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frankennietzsche wrote:Image

Animals have the right to be delicious!

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Re: Animal Rights

Post by ThirstyDrunk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:21 am

Rather than concern myself thinkng of where the wing came from I'll spend my time wondering if I would like it in the mango habanero sauce.

I've killed my own meal before. Have you?
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Mr. Viking » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:12 am

ThirstyDrunk wrote:Rather than concern myself thinkng of where the wing came from I'll spend my time wondering if I would like it in the mango habanero sauce.

I've killed my own meal before. Have you?
I've never even killed fish that I've eaten before (not for lack of trying, I'm just very bad at fishing). Hunting is more regulated here, you need permission notes and licences and things. Would be quite happy to go for rabbits though.

I'm happy so long as the animals haven't been treated cruelly. So I would try and buy UK pork for example, because we have high welfare standards. Sometimes I do think it is a bit unfair that these animals are farmed, and their sole purpose is to make copies of themselves or be killed at their most tender. But then I think that life is unfair. And that life for a domesticated animal must be a lot less stressfull than life in the wild, unless of course someone is being deliberately cruel to them.
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by GSG » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:34 am

ThirstyDrunk wrote: I've killed my own meal before. Have you?
Yes. Now back to the original question.
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by ThirstyDrunk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:52 am

I love animals, especially the cute and/or funny ones. bujt as long as someone else will grind an animal into an edible patty i prefer not to think of the slaughter part and i just eat em with sauce
I know some vegeatables who are completely agianst the whole "frying" thing. Rather deaded than breaded is their slogan.
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by mistah willies » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:03 pm

ThirstyDrunk wrote:Rather than concern myself thinkng of where the wing came from I'll spend my time wondering if I would like it in the mango habanero sauce.

I've killed my own meal before. Have you?
Indeed.

Flesh from an animal that has died in fright will taste gamey. It's the adrenaline in the muscles.


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When you have a bead on him, pull the trigger only if the creature is at pause, like in repose, or drinking water.


If you can drop the animal with a single shot, and then get to it fast enough to put him out of pain with another shot or the knife to the throat, that is respectful.

Chasing a wounded prey is horrible for everyone involved; no one wants to die that way.

His flesh will not be good to eat.




After you have dropped your beast, eviscerate it immediately, but do not open the digestive system up or you may poison everythign..

The trachea is the hardest part to snip on a bear, a deer, or especially a moose, because you will be reaching way up inside.

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Be respectful and offer tobacco on the ground and a prayer of thank you for the creature who has given his life for your sustenance.

Always talk proud of the animal afterwards, whenever you mention it.


Get your flesh to a butcher with cold storage and proper draining and aging.


Moose meat tastes like Kobi Beef when done in this manner.

No game, and it's a vegan as well.



Also, the heart is most tender of all.


Animals for food must always be treated right.

Animal rights, yup.

You have the right to taste well on my suppah plate.




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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Bur » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:09 pm

I believe if manatees found themselves on the same level of civilization as us, they too would prioritize their own rights and advantages.

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Re: Animal Rights

Post by One for the Frog » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:23 pm

I cut down chicken heads with an axe at the age of 9.

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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Bluespook » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:00 pm

i grew up on a "factory" farm. My folks hand at one time about half a million chickens at different places around illinois. The place i grew up at had about 60,000 birds in a chicken house the size of a football field. The thing about chickens, and i'm talking laying hens here, not meat chickens, is that when they are under stress or their diet or conditions are poor, they won't lay eggs. Chickens like to be close to each other, it makes them feel safe. They like a good diet and the light and temperature to be well regulated. They produce excellent eggs and lots of them under the right conditions. First thing in the morning, after the lights come on, (they are on a timer) they actually sing. No shit, it sounds like a medium pitch tone with a bit of a vibration to it. Think of it sounding like a lower pitch tree frog. 60,000 birds, all singing at once. Been over 20 years and i can still hear it. They weren't treated badly, aside from being caged up, and the proof is in the production. We didn't mistreat them in any way and their peak laying cycle only lasted about 9 months, after which they were shipped off to the chicken soup cannery and a new flock was brought in. I can't speak for any other hen houses, but ours sure seemed happy, contrary to what the peta people and other groups will tell you.
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Resident Asshole » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:43 am

As to the "why should we be nice to them", for myself it's because the Bible says to be nice to them. That doesn't mean we can't eat them though. There's a big difference between killing to eat and torturing for fun.
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Frankennietzsche » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:52 am

Bur wrote:I believe if manatees found themselves on the same level of civilization as us, they too would prioritize their own rights and advantages.
Manatees!?...THOSE BASTARDS!
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Re: Animal Rights

Post by Girlie » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:14 pm

Not completely related to your question, but somewhat so...

We have a friend who is a pretty accomplished hunter. Last year he posted something on Facebook about butchering deer meat and I expressed interest in helping in any future butchering. He sent me a message a few days ago to let me know that deer season opens September 14th and that he'd be having a butchering within a few days after any success and asked if we'd like to help. Of course, I said yes. I mentioned it to my son as well so he can join us and get a new appreciation for how meat becomes food. He's in.

I think if one eats meat, you should have a respect for the life that was ended for your nourishment. That, and as humane a death as possible, are the rights that I support.

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