NFL; Racism and Homophobia

[mistah willies]

There is a war on freedom of choice and association... (We all) discriminate everyday and make choices based on our preferences which include people based on their attributes.

This is human.

Suddenly a minority has taken over the major media platforms and is now dictating who is cool and who is not and government is used as a lever to make people conform.

Who is using the government for this and why?

Certainly it can't be the 1%

For what purpose whuold that serve?

This land was taken over in the name of freeddom and pursuit of happiness, ya know., But that was for the rich landowners

land downers

Them rich folks. But why be the poor minded and poor sotuehrn baptists running the politcal grren

Do you think there is really any political clout in obeying the religious zealots in this land?

How?

Fuck I'm DRUNK!

[GSG]

You really don't see what I'm pointing out. There is a war on freedom of choice and association. Are you with me so far? You discriminate everyday and make choices based on your preferences which include people based on their attributes. This is human. Suddenly a minority has taken over the major media platforms and is now dictating who is cool and who is not and government is used as a lever to make people conform. That's all I'm saying and it will cause a rebellion because it goes deep. So why don't people just back off? I'm not the bellicose one. What you think of me is none of my business. I will move on. There are those that need to correct what they think is not polite. That is not cool.

OK, I apologise if I have misread your point. I'm going to write about some of the things I think you're saying, please correct me if I'm wrong again.

1) I think we're talking at cross purposes when it comes to using the word 'discrimination'. You're right, I do discriminate every day, as do we all. I prefer to sit with my friend from work at lunch time and not with another woman. Truth be told, I don't find her very interesting and I find talking with her to be rather awkward. I thus discriminate and choose to sit with others. However, I am not rude to her. If the only space left at the table is next to her, I don't make a point of not sitting there. I smile at her and make small talk because she's not a bad person and it's not her fault I find her difficult to talk to. So yes, I discriminate. However, what I don't do is tell her she's boring and that I object to her presence and generally upset her. What sort of thundering backside would do that just because they have an objection to someone who has not hurt them? So let's be clear on what sort of discrimination we're talking about here. Choosing not to associate with homosexuals because of a spurious moral objection but being polite when it is necessary is type A, choosing not to associate with homosexuals because of a spurious moral objection but then being incredibly rude to them and treating them as a subspecies is type B.

2) Homosexuals are a minority group (although there is obviously a sliding scale of sexuality). Are you saying that this minority has sneakily taken over most media platforms (even Fox News?) to demand that the government make type B discrimination illegal? Are you sure that just because homosexuals are in the minority that most people in the country don't agree that they should be treated with the same respect and dignity as everyone else? Or have you only consulted with those close to you? Is there a big gay conspiracy? How could one apply this to the treatment of other minorities?

3) Politeness. OK, I was brought up to be polite. I try my hardest to be polite - it doesn't always work - and I can see that for society as a whole, politeness is the oil that keeps the cogs turning. You say that there are those who need to correct what they think is not polite - what value do you place on politeness, and how would you define it?

[Lush City]

Yeah, we're pretty close here. I think you're seeing my point. To make it even clearer let's go back to the subject of this thread mainly the NFL. This is a media platform that has used coercion in AZ by threatening to move a future Superbowl somewhere else out of the State. The point of contention was AZ was about to pass a bill that would allow any business the right to refuse service to anyone if it disagreed with their religious beliefs. This was a reaction to a court ruling against a Christian baker who was sued by a gay couple because he refused to make a wedding cake for them. The baker was forced under penalty of heavy fines to produce this cake. So, the Governor vetoed the bill. This is all I'm railing at. It's not a right to be rude or a right to attack other groups. It's really just this right of discrimination. The gay couple could have gone down the street and found another baker. Phoenix is a big town. But no, they wanted to fight. Had they not done that, the Christian baker would have still done business with them as anyone else since there would have been no quibbling over a blueberry Danish. I hope you see my point here and how certain minorities are helping the elites that rule this country to continue with a divide and conquer strategy.

Anyway, this concludes my argument. This is really cutting into my drinking time and not making me feel all that great. I'll join you on the other side discussing much lighter topics and enjoying life. Cheers!

[Resident Asshole]

And to speak to that right to discriminate, just as I discriminate between Maker's and TJD, every bar (as well as every church, or in this case baker) should have the right not to serve someone, frankly for whatever reason they want.

We have at a sign at my local which says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason".

Truth be told the only times I have seen that sign come into play was either when someone was very drunk, rude or they were known to be or seemed to be trouble. Could that sign possibly be used in a bad way to refuse someone service because they were a Christian or gay or a democrat? Sure, but I've never seen that happen.

And frankly if I was refused service for one of those reasons, then what possible justification would there be for me to be a patron of the business? Yes, the business has a right to discriminate and if enough people disagree with how they discriminate then they will fold and go out of business. But, if they only discriminate against overly drunk people then perhaps they will see business increase as a result.

[Palinka (RIP)]

We have strayed, somewhat, from the topic. So, whilst we are straying, can anyone who is so "revolted" by male homosexuality, explain why so many of them find female homosexuality, "Hawt" (sic)? Or is it the case that the individual's fantasy of each accounts for both, opposed, reactions?

[Chimneyfish]

Most of the men you're talking about aren't attracted to actual lesbians. They're attracted to the "bisexual" sorority girls who make out with each other at parties. I don't think it's a glaring hypocrisy or anything; men who like women are only attracted to sexual situations that involve women.

[mistah willies]

Yup.

Double the almighty vagina, gawd bless her.

Amen

[Frankennietzsche]

Most of the men you're talking about aren't attracted to actual lesbians. They're attracted to the "bisexual" sorority girls who make out with each other at parties. I don't think it's a glaring hypocrisy or anything; men who like women are only attracted to sexual situations that involve women.

Heyell yeah!

[Chimneyfish]

frankennietzsche I'm not sure if you were trying to mock me, but it would have been more helpful if you explained why you think I'm wrong.

Saying that it's hypocritical for someone to be into two girls but not two guys implies that people are attracted to homosexuality or heterosexuality. That's not the right way to frame it. People are attracted to either men and/or women, not the principles of "same sexness vs opposite sexness."

It would be a different case if we were talking about people advocating to legalize same-sex marriage for only lesbians and not gay guys, but I haven't heard of anybody actually pushing for that.

[Frankennietzsche]

frankennietzsche I'm not sure if you were trying to mock me

No mocking.




I was saying:

Heyell yeah!

to

They're attracted to the "bisexual" sorority girls who make out with each other at parties.... attracted to sexual situations that involve women.

[Frankennietzsche]

So, this thread has gone from discussing a specific case in regards to the NFL to "same-sex" marriage in the United States (and that's alright, I think.) Really, both of these merged and then veered off, but it's just about acceptance.
I don't really like (American) football. I also have a prejudice from hihg school against football players. Most of them that I have met were assholes. I had a customer Friday that was talking about a local guy who played for the Lions as a tackle and now is a LMPD officer. He was saying that this guy was too nice to be a (whatever) tackle and was probabaly too nice to be a cop. How fucked up is that?
Anyway, regardless of all that, I don't know if the NFL or college sports or whatever should be open to all sexual orientations or not. There are a lot of factors in there, the most glaring is the locker room and showers and all of that. There are a whole mess of cultural considerations and whatnot to be figured. I think that the kicker who wrote that open letter to the comissioner was railroaded and that they used the age excuse to get rid of him. Also, i saw him on Conan, he's a nerd, and so I side with him.
To qupte Lou Reed: "I guess, but I just don't know."

I.
DON"T.
KNOW.

[Lush City]

NFL, racism and homophobia, yes, NFL is behind all of that which includes the sports news outlets. You know the alphabet networks. We don't need those discussions in sports. Kobe Bryant has asked publicly "Is that as far as we have progressed? " The NFL wants to introduce a rule that anyone uttering the N-word during the peak of an NFL scrimmage play will be penalized 15yards. It will be truly embarrassing if they go thru with this and find those being penalized are mostly black players! It will not be implemented. It's just ridiculous to think they can change the NFL culture. They will only embarrass themselves. Finally it goes without saying we are not interested in the sexual orientation of professional athletes let alone anyone else for that matter. These are simply more ploys by the elite who own the media outlets to divide the people and distract them from those that are really stealing their wealth and civil rights.

[Palinka (RIP)]

Finland releases the World's first Postage Stamps featuring Erotica, celebrating the work of the homo-erotic artist, Tom of Finland.

[mistah willies]

Brass Tacks by Not In The Face.

What we talking about here /?

[GSG]

Finland releases the World's first Postage Stamps featuring Erotica, celebrating the work of the homo-erotic artist, Tom of Finland.

It was hugely influential stuff, although I doubt how much of it he intended to be the art it's considered to be now. Some of his stuff was tenderly touching though, like this one.



On another note, giving Jeremy Irons massive side eye right now.