Boozy's wine thread - the sequel

[Mr. Viking]

amontillado is in between fino and ollorosso, and can be seen as a "failed" fino. Finos are aged under a thick cap of yeast which keeps it from oxidising. Olorosso is fortified to a strength where the cap cannot grow, so age oxiditavely. Amontillado begins with a cap of yeast which dies of for whatever reason, so is in between the two. It has a markedly different character to the others. I think outside of these most sherry is produced for blending to make things such as cream sherry or cooking sherry

[slipperyyoke]

Opinions/recommendations for Georgian Wines?

[Mr Boozificator]

Opinions/recommendations for Georgian Wines?

Sorry, I have no personal experience with those.

[Wingman]

Opinions/recommendations for Georgian Wines?

certainly: make sure you get something from the northern regions, like around helen. most of the wine vinted here is made from grapes from out of state, but there are some actual vinyards (i spell it like it sounds, honey) up around there.

[BBoozer]

Opinions/recommendations for Georgian Wines?

certainly: make sure you get something from the northern regions, like around helen. most of the wine vinted here is made from grapes from out of state, but there are some actual vinyards (i spell it like it sounds, honey) up around there.

Ahum, Wingman, I don't know how to bring this to you, but I *think* (and I may be wrong) that slipperyyoke is referring to the former Soviet Republic Georgia, which is renowned for its great wines (ask JimLahey, he is from Russian descent, and his parents used to drink Georgian wines).

[Wingman]

Ahum, Wingman, I don't know how to bring this to you, but I *think* (and I may be wrong) that slipperyyoke is referring to the former Soviet Republic Georgia, which is renowned for its great wines (ask JimLahey, he is from Russian descent, and his parents used to drink Georgian wines).

well, they would almost have to be better than ours. how did the other georgia get their name, do you think? and when? i suppose i should google that. but i'll probably forget.

[Mr. Viking]

Ahum, Wingman, I don't know how to bring this to you, but I *think* (and I may be wrong) that slipperyyoke is referring to the former Soviet Republic Georgia, which is renowned for its great wines (ask JimLahey, he is from Russian descent, and his parents used to drink Georgian wines).

well, they would almost have to be better than ours. how did the other georgia get their name, do you think? and when? i suppose i should google that. but i'll probably forget.

They were historically on a par with bordeaux I believe. Trouble in Europe over the last 150 years or so saw them crippled

[BBoozer]

Ahum, Wingman, I don't know how to bring this to you, but I *think* (and I may be wrong) that slipperyyoke is referring to the former Soviet Republic Georgia, which is renowned for its great wines (ask JimLahey, he is from Russian descent, and his parents used to drink Georgian wines).

well, they would almost have to be better than ours. how did the other georgia get their name, do you think? and when? i suppose i should google that. but i'll probably forget.

Well, I googled it for you:

"The terms "Georgia" and "Georgian" appeared in Western Europe in numerous early medieval annals. At the time, the name was folk etymologized – for instance, by the French chronicler Jacques de Vitry and the compiler John Mandeville – from Georgians' especial reverence of Saint George.[12][13] Another theory, popularized by the likes of Jean Chardin, semantically linked "Georgia" to Greek and Latin roots, respectively, γεωργός ("tiller of the land") and georgicus ("agricultural"). The supporters of this explanation sometimes referred to classical authors, in particular Pliny and Pomponius Mela, who wrote of "Georgi" tribes, which were named so to distinguish them from their unsettled and pastoral neighbors.[14] According to some scholars, "Georgia" could have been borrowed in the 11th or 12th century from the Syriac gurz-ān or -iyān and Arabic ĵurĵan or ĵurzan, derived from the New Persian gurğ or gurğān."

And 'your' Georgia was named of King George II of England. But this still did not let us taste Georgian wines, I should visit.

[Wingman]

Well, I googled it for you:

"The terms "Georgia" and "Georgian" appeared in Western Europe in numerous early medieval annals. At the time, the name was folk etymologized – for instance, by the French chronicler Jacques de Vitry and the compiler John Mandeville – from Georgians' especial reverence of Saint George.[12][13] Another theory, popularized by the likes of Jean Chardin, semantically linked "Georgia" to Greek and Latin roots, respectively, γεωργός ("tiller of the land") and georgicus ("agricultural"). The supporters of this explanation sometimes referred to classical authors, in particular Pliny and Pomponius Mela, who wrote of "Georgi" tribes, which were named so to distinguish them from their unsettled and pastoral neighbors.[14] According to some scholars, "Georgia" could have been borrowed in the 11th or 12th century from the Syriac gurz-ān or -iyān and Arabic ĵurĵan or ĵurzan, derived from the New Persian gurğ or gurğān."

And 'your' Georgia was named of King George II of England. But this still did not let us taste Georgian wines, I should visit.

of course it was! oglethorpe knew how to kiss ass, after all. i knew someone would google it for me, though, oddly, i learned on the facepage earlier tonight that it meant "farmer," or somesuch.

[Mr. Viking]

I am a bit puzzled by your statement that you can't find a decent white wine below 10£, but are able to enjoy a 5£ fino. In my experience, it is just the opposite. Agreed, as Boozy said in the original wine thread, price is not really an indication of quality in the case of wines, but I had my share of 5€ sherries and, well, to be honest, they all sucked. My favourite for everyday drinking is Tio Pepe, and it comes around 10€ a bottle in Belgium. Delicious fino to be degustated as aperitif with green olives. Be careful with spicy olives though, because the fino is fragile (I refer to Boozy's comments on wines that go well with olives). Now, the universe of sherry is very broad. I was once in Cordoba with my redhead where we dined in a very fine restaurant and they served us a 30-year old Pedro Ximenez sherry as digestif (indeed, sherries serve as aperitif as well as digestif) and we found this sherry ultimately rewarding and satisfying.

I was probably being silly. I don't drink much white wine, especially not decent stuff. Had a few glasses I enjoyed while at home with my parents, but I can't remember the label. Also, Boozi sent me some Brumont Gros Manseng-Sauvignon which I am enjoying. I found it a bit dry and flinty at first, but it always takes me a while to make my mind up and I now find it quite delicious. Tio Pepe is £10 a bottle here. Most supermarket own brand sherries are quite good in the UK, as Sherry, Sack and Malmsey have been drunk here for so long, so I imagine economies of scale come in. I have never tried expensive sherry and probably should have before drawing conclusions

[Backbone Robby Bobby]

I could speak about wine for hours and still I do not consider myself enlightened. However, I can tell you very roughly and superficially that in France this is basically the top 3 of red wines nowadays.

1. Bourgogne
2. Côte-du-Rhône
3. Bordeaux

Also, elsewhere than in Southern France, rosé wine is seen with disdain and not really considered as wine. Many people keep on drinking red wine summertime despite the heat. It's totally ok to keep cool in the fridge Beaujolais wines such as Brouilly for instance.
I didn't mention the Loire Valley (where Mick Jagger lives) but Loire wines are also very considered.

[oettinger]

Also, elsewhere than in Southern France, rosé wine is seen with disdain and not really considered as wine

Damn that`s the one I think goes down like water