FREE HEALTH CARE!

[Two Hearted]

So imagine setting loose thousands upon thousands of unemployed auto workers on the already painfully dry job market (to join the already suffering steel workers here in Canada thanks to US Steel). These folks are trained (besides the few skilled tradesmen employed) at one occupation -- the car assembly line -- it's a lifelong career for most of them. Put these men and women on the market and they're either on the street or working for minimum wage in a fucking chocolate factory.

Welcome to Michigan. Except we don't have any chocolate factories.

[GreatWhiteNortherner]

So imagine setting loose thousands upon thousands of unemployed auto workers on the already painfully dry job market (to join the already suffering steel workers here in Canada thanks to US Steel). These folks are trained (besides the few skilled tradesmen employed) at one occupation -- the car assembly line -- it's a lifelong career for most of them. Put these men and women on the market and they're either on the street or working for minimum wage in a fucking chocolate factory.

Welcome to Michigan. Except we don't have any chocolate factories.

This lack of chocolate factories is the reason why we have Micheal Moore... and Canadian Bacon. Moore is a necessary evil brought about by that whole travesty, and Canadian Bacon is God's gift to him and us.

[felinamojokitty]

Mark of the beast Obomba muslim marxist socilast HITLER!!!!! is not a real reason, it's ridiculous and embarrassing.

Why are you telling us that? Are you just making a random observation or is it directed towards something posted in this thread?

i wonder the same thing chimneyfish..

for the record for a photo posted on another thread...Martin Luther KIng was a registered Republican...BHO is NO MLK

(neither is JJ or AS)

did you or anyone know the first executive order that BHO signed was to seal his records from the public? why would that be his first point of order?

and we need a biometric card with all our info to work as americans???? MARK OF THE BEAST!.....

hells bells!!! the end of the world!!

yeah that looked silly just like some posts

as for the tea party hoo-ha and liberal digs...

this is a good vid..short commercial first..this conservative black guy owned the MSNBC 'commentator'..

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcpb5a

and

Take from this what you will ...

The passage of the health care law shows that the US empire is declining because it illustrates the fact that people expect the state to take care of them, David Murrin, the co-founder of Emergent Asset Management hedge fund manager, told CNBC.

On Tuesday, US President Barack Obama signed into law health care legislation that expands health coverage for the poor, imposes new taxes on the rich and forbids insurance practices such as refusing coverage to those with pre-existing conditions.

In their expansionary phase, empires force people to go out, seek risks and fend for themselves, Murrin said, reminding of the dismantling of the British empire after the war, when the National Health Service, which ensures universal health coverage in Britain, was created.

"This (empire decline) is actually a dead-set course that societies get into and it will happen very quickly I'm afraid," he told "Squawk Box Europe."

"As you start to build a system it becomes cohesive because of its success… the fractures in the American system I think are more apparent than ever," Murrin added.

China's rise will be much faster than most people anticipate as the country's military prowess increases, he said.

We all know there's going to be a change, the surprise will be the pace of that change," Murrin said, noting that "all empires when they decline they underestimate their challengers."

The peak for commodities will be reached somewhere between 2020 and 2025 and it's the period before that that must be watched, as China seems much more willing to take risks than Western countries, he predicted.

"You have a lot more males in China then you do in the west," he said, noting that 56 percent of the Chinese society was male, because of the country's policies to control population and because of traditions which value males more than females.

"What that means is that they're far more risk-oriented than a society in the West…if you look at conflict and your ability to risk your males in conflict," Murrin explained.

China has started to innovate and has worked out what the West's weaknesses are so it can overtake developed countries, he added.

The country is investing heavily in Africa, which Murrin calls a "huge opportunity" because it has the best demographics in the world and a big resource pool.

"I think Africa, as a generic theme, is the hottest thing in town," he said.
[link to http://www.cnbc.com]


rice and dog futures...buy 'em now!

;)

i'm gonna take a looooong hot shower..tomorrow


note: control of africa is big in the scheme of the world.. chi-coms can do it..
and african leaders will yield to it..for the right price


why argue? brainstorm and rally for soultions...

(americans that is) national tort reform, increased competition across state lines, cash price options, extended tax breaks for HS accounts..

when healthcare became a bennie in jobs that changed everything and when medicare was enacted it was to save insurance comps money on the old sickly peoples.. so they all are in cahoots .. just like big pharma..

bottom line as usual all about the money and for this bloated gov't all about control over every aspect of your life. rampant on both sides just now it is in hyper drive..

new anthem: i pledge alligance to george soros and goldman sachs

[NYDingbat]

One of the issues here is that due to the welfare state the democrats created dating back to FDR with social security and hammered home with LBJ and medicaid and medicare, some of our more less than enlightened citizens have decided the gummamint should take care of them for EVERYTHING.

This sense of entitlement that our citizenry has adopted will absolutely crush us. It's what got us this monstrous tyrannical regime we're now subjected to (if you don't think so then you think Saul Alinsky was a co-signer of the Constitution) We have GOT to stop it. NOW.

I'd post a link to an excellent piece on Europe's decline into socialism by Mary Steyn in www.nationalreview.com but those of you who choose to be informed and fight for freedom have either already read it or plan to and those who are disinclined to click the link are, or should be, currently studying real estate in Cuba, Venezuela or whatever Marxist state of your choice.

And you Canadians oughtn't be cheering this temporary tyrannical victory. After all, where will you or your premiers go for health care if our system is destroyed? One of your guys can afford the best and he comes here. Telling, yes?

http://www.canada.com/premier+heart+sur ... story.html

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700


The fight has only just begun. Those who think they've silenced us with the win of this battle are sorely mistaken. Our efforts will be redoubled. We will fight you in court, at our polling places and at any town hall meetings any of you are willing to attend (my rep, Nita Lowey, already blew off a meeting Tuesday night - friggin' coward - three of her hopeful opponents were there. She didn't have any last August either. I can't WAIT to get that despicable leftist the hell out of office.)

You leftists will NEVER defeat us. Ask ol' King George how much success he had against a buncha ragtag, ad hoc citizens who banded together because they were utterly FED UP with the tyranny their government was imposing on them.

[Bluespook]

I find it interesting how many canadians, along with anyone else outside the USA take interest in this. I get how our elections interest you, what we vote for in respect to national leaders has an effect on you. This health care thing is very much an internal matter, no effect on you at all. So in the utmost respect. Fuck off, you have nothing to add to this conversation, it has nothing to do with you. I won't look into your windows, don't look into ours.


by the way, i'm shitfaced, no disrespect, but i don't want to hear anymore from people who aren't american citizens about our internal american laws.

[Whisky Guy]

I've been to a chocolate factory, they suck. No Oompa-Loompas. Just hair nets, gloves and stainless steel, very lame. Quite disapointing, tho, chocolate is still awesome.

[DeeboCools]

I'm goina put on some popcorn, this is goina get good!

You have NO IDEA. And I've got facts, not feelings, on my side. Bring it, uninformed and misguided statist Marxist acolytes everywhere. I shall defeat every leftist, dangerous, anti-American argument these moronic hopey changers can come up with. I guarandamntee NONE of them has read any of these Obaminable bills and, therefore, will not be able to dispute with facts anything I put forth.

Free indeed. Willfully uninformed schmucks.


Oh - and let me head off the "Oh look - some conservative can only make a point by name calling" stupidity - your Dear Leader Pelosi, amongst others, called us PEACEFUL Tea Partiers Nazis. Li'l worse than schmuck I'm thinkin'.

That's what king-cockeyed was referring to, since no one remembers.

[DeeboCools]

Has anyone actually read what's in this bill? It's mostly a way to force people to buy private insurance, as well as regulate private insurance. Of course many in government are on the take from insurance companies but that's pretty damn far from "socialized medicine"- the insurance companies will still be doing quite well for themselves.

I'm not happy with it either, for the opposite reason. It just amazes me that people are crying out leftism and marxism when all this is is corporatism and bureaucracy- and that's what Obama is.

And why is it tea-baggers only started freaking out so recently? Bush and Clinton did tons of ridiculous shit that well worse, but everyone kept their heads together and realized that politics can be changed, even if you have to wait a while. But for Obama tea-baggers inexplicably started acting like a pack of wild animals. I could wager to guess why...

P.s. the bill does want to create a public option, 2016. But again that's obama being mousy. If he's not reelected then the opposition can just shoot that down in their term. Dictatorship!

[GreatWhiteNortherner]

I find it interesting how many canadians, along with anyone else outside the USA take interest in this. I get how our elections interest you, what we vote for in respect to national leaders has an effect on you. This health care thing is very much an internal matter, no effect on you at all. So in the utmost respect. Fuck off, you have nothing to add to this conversation, it has nothing to do with you. I won't look into your windows, don't look into ours.


by the way, i'm shitfaced, no disrespect, but i don't want to hear anymore from people who aren't american citizens about our internal american laws.

American news and culture is jammed down our throats daily, blue. It's damned near ingrained in us to give a damn what's going on down there. Talkin, the sovereign provinces of the Empire, here. Much of what goes on down there has an effect on us, especially since we've got Lord Harper in parliament who is very fond of White House dramatics. One big cause of concern for us up here would be if that REAL ID stuff goes through. Biometric cards and all. Harper, being the bended knee he is, would eat that up and push for it up here. And unfortunately many, many Canadians are yellow enough to bend over and wait for it. For the cause of "safety".

One notion that I can't understand how most people with any political understanding cannot grasp is this: social programs do not necessarily equate with a loss of liberty. In fact, they should not. I sacrifice my safety in order to be free. But if I hurt my knee I'm thankful I live in a society that pays to the pot so I don't have to live with a bad knee. And I am happy to pay to the pot so that if the same were to happen to somebody else, that they could be taken care of--even if I live a healthy life, my whole life. I should be so lucky!

[Chimneyfish]

You do raise a really tough point, but I don't think there is any objective answer. Are you employed, Chimneyfish? I don't know what the job market is like in those parts, but I live in one of the areas in Canada with one of the highest unemployment rates and it is climbing still.
Maybe it's a matter of perspective? If the likes of GM, or any other major employer of skilled workers, were to suddenly fold, the job market would really overflow with desperate people. I guess I see it as a bit of depression prevention. Or prevention of a deeper depression, anyhow.

I'm not unemployed, but I don't want to make it seem like I'm saying unemployment is no big deal. To the contrary, I'm saying that the private sector can create more (and more productive) jobs than the government possibly can. The government can never truly "create" jobs, because the government produces no wealth. All of its public projects are funded entirely by either direct tax dollars or through inflation (indirect tax dollars). Any government spending that is said to "create jobs" is really just a matter of transferring money from one pocket to the other, and destroying the factor of consumer demand in the process. For every dollar the government spends, one more dollar must be paid by the tax payers. For every extra dollar an individual person pays in taxes, that's one less dollar that he would have spent however he chose, and one less dollar going to support the jobs in the industry would have spent it in. The wealth created by government spending can't make up for the wealth destroyed by the taxation that funded it.

Also, the single greatest spark to employment numbers are low interest rates. When interest rates are low then more people will take out loans for businesses, homes, cars, etc.- all of which support thousands of jobs. The best way to create low interest rates is allow people to keep more of their own incomes to either save or invest. That's especially true when you get into the higher tax brackets- the people who currently pay almost 50% of their profits to the government. Raising their taxes is an easy sell to the public because they're so rich, but people rarely consider what the effects of removing all of that money from the banking system will do to the national unemployment numbers. All in all, the solution to the current unemployment problem is more economic freedom. Obama is going in the opposite direction.

[Ozz]

by the way, i'm shitfaced, no disrespect, but i don't want to hear anymore from people who aren't american citizens about our internal american laws.

Then get that american fat fuck from michigan to quit using us as an example. And your "internal" american laws effect us, we get your poor spilling over the border with false ids for treatment. We're business partners and your broke and going on a wild spending spree with money you don't got, when your country declares itself bankrupt, which it will, that effects us.

If you don't want to hear, pull a cork, drink her down, pull another cork, drink her down, now insert the corks in your ears, and as this is the infromation age
repeat for your eyes, now you just got one more place to plug. No disrepect, eh.

[Bluespook]

Wow, don't remember typing this at all last night, but even being coarse in nature, i stand by it. I don't give two shits about canadian laws, or european laws for that matter. No interest in it at all and i would never presume to tell you who to vote for or what laws you should enact. And people say americans are arrogant. Yep, on the road to bankruptcy, can't disagree there, guess you guys will have to start oh, defending yourselves and comming up with all sorts of new medical treatments all by yourselves. Hell, that's not a bad idea, come up with all these new medical and scientific wonders all by yourselves and sell them at the dirt bottom prices and see how long you can sustain it rather than using american companies to do all the research, developement, testing, marketing, saftey tests, FDA approvals, all of it. You make the new cancer drugs, or aids drugs, and make a profit of it all on your own. Perhaps you could even come up with a suppository form of these new wonders, that way you wouldn't have to find interesting places to put all these corks you speak of.

[coqui_chris]

this monstrous tyrannical regime

Uhhh ... yeah, that's not at all hyperbolic ...

[Ozz]

Wow, don't remember typing this at all last night, but even being coarse in nature, i stand by it. I don't give two shits about canadian laws, or european laws for that matter. No interest in it at all and i would never presume to tell you who to vote for or what laws you should enact. And people say americans are arrogant. Yep, on the road to bankruptcy, can't disagree there, guess you guys will have to start oh, defending yourselves and comming up with all sorts of new medical treatments all by yourselves. Hell, that's not a bad idea, come up with all these new medical and scientific wonders all by yourselves and sell them at the dirt bottom prices and see how long you can sustain it rather than using american companies to do all the research, developement, testing, marketing, saftey tests, FDA approvals, all of it. You make the new cancer drugs, or aids drugs, and make a profit of it all on your own. Perhaps you could even come up with a suppository form of these new wonders, that way you wouldn't have to find interesting places to put all these corks you speak of.

Ah, we do defend ourselves, 1914, 1939, where the fuck where you? Selling to both sides I believe, In fact the greatest danger to us was in 1812, so if we did go nuclear, they'd be aimed at you. In fact i'd hate to be dependant on US protection, too many tossed under the bus thinking that existed, the latest being
Poland, and the wheels are just about on Israel. Oh save the never presume isolationist crap, the US doesn't presume, it invades or bribes.

Oh by the by, enjoy your insulin, and nobody's cured anything since polio in the 1950's. US research is to keep you alive and buying drugs, just like a long term
thinking crack dealer does."Just ask your Doctor about ______....

It's Israel that makes the real medical breakthoughs these days.

BTW they don't say americans are arrogant, they say they are ignorant.

[coqui_chris]

We'll all be using Three Seashells instead of Toilet Paper!

I think the EPA and Consumer Protection Agency might have a thing or two to say to you about that, no matter how good it feels.

They'll be all about it, as long as we don't curse and eat taco bell all day