FREE HEALTH CARE!

[Mayhem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5C6X9vOEkU

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

[hoverdog]

Mother Goose,

What is better care is not defined by what those rich enough to pay for anything out of pocket get. The US may have the best care if you have a hundreds of thousands to spend on it. If not you best pray you happen to have an insurance policy & that they wont deny coverage the moment you need it. There is no way to know if they will do that or not before you need them. Lot's of people get bankrupt due to health care costs in the US, that does not happen in countries with UHC.

It's nice I guess that people can walk into an ER and get care instead of being kicked out to die on the street. They still get billed for it, and anyone in that position can't pay. Anyone who is poor and trying to save money for anything can not get sick or it will wipe them out, or they can get sick and not go into the ER and hope they will get better own their own.

"Rationing" of health care means that there is a priority system to how the resources are used. All the tests can be gotten fast if you go to a private hospital, which they do have in Europe. Health care resources are limited in the US too, the difference is that the only priority system in use is who has the most money.

[hoverdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2wViKSh_M

[happydrunk]

there is no way I am reading through 15 pages of opinions, but I'll just add a YAY! I'm so happy that finally our government did something good for once . . its been a while. All we are saying . . is give health care a chance.

[sloweducation]

Yeah I am not reading all this stuff but I think it is ridiculous that the US has higher infant mortality and lower life expectancy than other developed nations when we are the leader in everything else. I think capitalism sometimes ingrains individualism into everyone far too much. We think the NHS in the UK is socialism? Give me a break. I don't know what happens to someone to make them lose compassion for other people. I am pretty pissed at Obama and the Dems for giving up so much. Everything would be better if we lowered our defense budget and focused more on our citizens.
Fuck this, lets just drink guys...

[Chimneyfish]

Sidetracked, sorry. As NYDingbat stated in her first post, "9/11". Right then. Carry on.

To be fair though, shouting "racist!" has become to the left what "9/11!" was to the right.

[Chimneyfish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV ... r_embedded

I'd guess there's probably an equal amount of idiots on both ends of the political spectrum. It's not as obvious though, because the "comically dumb liberal" isn't as much a pop culture archetype as the dumb conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

[Bluespook]

Sidetracked, sorry. As NYDingbat stated in her first post, "9/11". Right then. Carry on.

To be fair though, shouting "racist!" has become to the left what "9/11!" was to the right.

9/11 happened in what is essentially NYD's back yard. Her father was a retired NYFD, she grew up with these guys, knew alot of them and went to alot of funerals for fallen firefighters. She has alot of friends in the NYPD, i've met many myself, good guys. I know you may think 9/11 is a knee jerk response for her, but it is perhaps more personal for her than the rest of us that watched it on tv.

[Frankennietzsche]

Pity would be no more,
If we did not make somebody Poor:
And Mercy no more could be,
If all were as happy as we:

And mutual fear brings peace:
Till the selfish loves increase.
Then Cruelty knits a snare,
And spreads his baits with care.

He sits down with holy fears,
And waters the ground with tears:
Then Humility takes its root
Underneath his foot.

Soon spreads the dismal shade
Of Mystery over his head;
And the Catterpiller and Fly,
Feed on the Mystery.

And it bears the fruit of Deceit,
Ruddy and sweet to eat:
And the Raven his nest has made
In its thickest shade.

The Gods of the earth and sea,
Sought thro’ Nature to find this Tree
But their search was all in vain;
There grows one in the Human Brain

[Chimneyfish]

There are many, many people who can afford health insurance that simply choose to not purchase it, simply because they know that if they truly need care, they can walk into an emergency room and get it.

Yeah- the study I linked to earlier showing that nearly half of the uninsured in the US can afford health care but choose not to buy it didn't get any comments, but I think that's pretty a significant chunk of the problem. Whenever people support universal health care they usually have some personal anecdote about their friend who needed some surgery that costs thousands of dollars and put them in debt because they didn't have health insurance. Well of course medical care is expensive. That's the whole reason we secure ourselves by pooling a little of our money every month in an insurance plan. The average American is notoriously bad at saving any money for anything in the future, which is why we have this failing social security program (which is taken from my paychecks but even the government estimates it will be bankrupt long before I ever retire). I just want to know the extent to which people are responsible for themselves, and how much I am responsible for other people's mistakes.

[Screwball]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrwH_U_7jk0&NR=1

[Screwball]

Oops! Wrong video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HWraYnSFc

[Mayhem]

Oops! Wrong video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HWraYnSFc

I do love that song.

[felinamojokitty]

Oops! Wrong video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HWraYnSFc

I do love that song.

still have it on original 12 inch viynl

lydon/bambaata


should be the new 'rick roll'

[coqui_chris]

Sidetracked, sorry. As NYDingbat stated in her first post, "9/11". Right then. Carry on.

To be fair though, shouting "racist!" has become to the left what "9/11!" was to the right.

It doesn't get too much more clear-cut racist then actually shouting the n-word at a black congressman.

Like, that IS racism. No ifs, ends or buts.