JohnnyTequila wrote:you'd be insane to bet against the giants at this point.
Yeah, but the Giants have been Vegas underdogs in every single game of this World Series (despite having the single lowest team ERA in the month leading up to the playoffs since 1965).
They keep ending up the money underdogs despite being the factual favorites. How is it that I am the only person making money with betting on the Giants? How can so many people be mislead to bet on the team with less talent despite what we have seen so far? I just really don't understand public disillusionment in a situation where the public has the ability to research all of the same stats that I am.
Facts this and that, but lets look at what actually propelled them through the playoffs: defensive errors and an offense that managed to score more than 5 runs in a game, a feat that they hadn't performed since August.
I just don't buy the whole statistics thing in baseball. I feel like charm, attitude, luck, determination, grit, heart, and heroics play a significant part in the process that one can never numerically quantify. And that's alright with me.
The Giants are the World Champions. Not what I was hoping to see, but they did it. And without Barry Bonds. I can respect that.
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IF THIS SHIT HAPPENED IN AN EAST COAST MEDIA CENTER LIKE PHILADELPHIA, IT WOULD BE THE TOP STORY ON ESPN.COM AND JOE BUCK WOULD BE HAVING A FIELD DAY!
"To avoid criticism: Do nothing, Say nothing, Be nothing" - Fred Shero
"You hear players, media people say it's tough to play in Philly in front of these fans. To those people, I say, you didn't have the guts to succeed here." - John Kruk
coqui_chris wrote:this and that, but lets look at what actually propelled them through the playoffs: defensive errors and an offense that managed to score more than 5 runs in a game, a feat that they hadn't performed since August.
You don't think it was because of their pitching? They were able to win so often while scoring less than five runs a game because they didn't have to score that many runs a game. Different teams win different ways. If you're only going to look at a team's runs scored and not runs allowed then you're missing a big factor in why teams win.
I don't buy the "defensive errors" excuse. The Giants went 11-4 in the postseason. It was a five game World Series. It's not like they barely squeaked out a championship due to a couple balls bouncing in their favor. To me that sounds almost as silly as the pundits who were saying that Atlanta, Philly, and Texas all got unlucky when their offenses decided to "slump" while playing San Francisco this postseason. Really, ESPN? It was all a coincidence and their offensive slumps had nothing to do with the fact that they were playing against the best pitching staff in baseball?
"Man i once bought $101 worth of insect candy because it was free shipping on orders over 100 bucks." -- ThirstyDrunk
"I wanted a shark high on crack dumped into a piranha tank! I wanted college AD's to pull their human faces off, then dive at each other's lizard throats!" -- waahoohah
coqui_chris wrote:this and that, but lets look at what actually propelled them through the playoffs: defensive errors and an offense that managed to score more than 5 runs in a game, a feat that they hadn't performed since August.
You don't think it was because of their pitching? They were able to win so often while scoring less than five runs a game because they didn't have to score that many runs a game. Different teams win different ways. If you're only going to look at a team's runs scored and not runs allowed then you're missing a big factor in why teams win.
I don't buy the "defensive errors" excuse. The Giants went 11-4 in the postseason. It was a five game World Series. It's not like they barely squeaked out a championship due to a couple balls bouncing in their favor. To me that sounds almost as silly as the pundits who were saying that Atlanta, Philly, and Texas all got unlucky when their offenses decided to "slump" while playing San Francisco this postseason. Really, ESPN? It was all a coincidence and their offensive slumps had nothing to do with the fact that they were playing against the best pitching staff in baseball?
they won, that's great, that does not mean I'm goinbg to shut up.
Congrats on the win. Is it going to take you 54 years to get back to the big show?
probably.
Talk all the shit you want about the Yanks, I'm actually from the BX. Bring it. and holy shit, this is off topic, my wife is on the terrorism watch list.
Calm down, nobody was talking shit about the Yankees. The last two World Series the Giants played were in 2010 and 2002. The last two the Yankees played were in 2009 and 2003. Why would it take the Giants 54 years to get back to the World Series?
At least you're a big enough man to admit when you're wrong.
Chimneyfish wrote:Calm down, nobody was talking shit about the Yankees. The last two World Series the Giants played were in 2010 and 2002. The last two the Yankees played were in 2009 and 2003. Why would it take the Giants 54 years to get back to the World Series?
At least you're a big enough man to admit when you're wrong.
The last two World Series that the Phillies made it to was 2008 and 2009. They've been to 3 straight NLCS's, too. That's a lot of clout.
Making it to the Championship doesn't mean you're necessarily the greatest team talentwise in the league. There are luck and breaks and heroics involved.
The Phillies didn't have it this year. Their offense slumped in late October the way it slumped in June and July. They also featured staggering injuries which probably prevented their players from making the leaps and bounds that a successful playoff run requires. The Giants made those leaps, however, and that's why they won and we came home.
10 years ago at the Vet you had a seat for your chair and you could put your feet up on the seats in the row ahead of you. Now the games sell out before the season starts. I've been through the lean times. All this is just a gas to me.
"To avoid criticism: Do nothing, Say nothing, Be nothing" - Fred Shero
"You hear players, media people say it's tough to play in Philly in front of these fans. To those people, I say, you didn't have the guts to succeed here." - John Kruk
I agree completely. I definitely never expected the Giants to win the World Series, which is what made is so enjoyable (for me at least). Baseball is a really crazy, random game. That still doesn't mean we shouldn't consider any statistics at all when predicting who will win a series. My only argument in this thread during that postseason was to point out all the factual examples of why the Giants had a better pitching staff than the Phillies. I never even said I thought the Giants would beat any team they faced this postseason. I just thought it was a little ridiculous that people became so mesmerized by Halladay's no-hitter that they would prefer to judge an entire staff entirely by a very small sample size as opposed to the larger sample size of the entire season. To reiterate what I said at the beginning of October:
Chimneyfish wrote:There's really no debate on this topic, because the postseason is going to happen and we will discover for sure who has the better pitching staff.
Also, this is an awesome display of baseball no matter who you root for. Let me know if you guys need help identifying any of the players.
Oh, and congrats to Buster Posey- who I watched come up in the minors. As I said in this thread way back in July:
Chimneyfish wrote:I'd like to introduce you to your National League Rookie of the Year
